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Groundbreaking Peabody Award-winning conversation about the big questions of meaning — spiritual inquiry, science, social healing, and the arts. Each week a new discovery about the immensity of our lives. Hosted by Krista Tippett. New conversations every Thursday, with occasional extras.

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Before Newness Arrives …

In some languages, there are words for goodbye that are also a promise of a future "hello," and that's the kind of farewell this is. Krista offers this “see you later” with a parting poem as she and the full team at On Being get a bit restored and dream and make some new things. We are so grateful for your listening. Our podcast feed will be in a period of repose until the fall. In the meantime, join us this summer at onbeing.org/staywithus /onbeing.org/staywithus.

4m
Jul 07
BONUS: An On Being Listening Party — Celebrating 20 Years

A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event — listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in the room retroactively. You will hear the voices of wise and graceful lives — of former guests, and of listeners from far-flung places. You may also catch references to things seen and witnessed throughout the event — including a stunning opening poem https://www.themarginalian.org/2022/06/15/twenty-reasons-for-being/ by our dear friend Maria Popova, composed of show titles — which you can take in fully by viewing the recorded celebration in its entirety on our YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-kBf6icURw. Krista will be back next week to send us off with a poem and short farewell — a “see you later” while we rest and dream and make some new things. In the meantime, we will be sharing offerings beyond this podcast. Join us at onbeing.org/staywithus https://onbeing.org/staywithus/.

1h 12m
Jun 30
adrienne maree brown — “We are in a time of new suns”

“What a time to be alive,” adrienne maree brown has written. “Right now we are in a fast river together — every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred.” adrienne maree brown and others use many words and phrases to describe what she does, and who she is: A student of complexity. A student of change and of how groups change together. A “scholar of belonging.” A “scholar of magic.” She grew up loving science fiction, and thought we’d be driving flying cars by now; and yet, has found in speculative fiction the transformative force of vision and imagination that might in fact save us. Our younger listeners have asked to hear adrienne maree brown’s voice on , and here she is, as we enter our own time of evolution. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. -- In this time of new suns here at , we are in learning mode — listening to the world, and listening to you. Would you take a few minutes to visit onbeing.org/survey http://onbeing.org/survey and answer a few questions that will help us know who you are and how can accompany you in the time ahead? We would be so grateful… 🙏 -- adrienne maree brown is the author of wildly influential books including https://bookshop.org/books/emergent-strategy-shaping-change-changing-worlds/9781849352604 https://bookshop.org/books/we-will-not-cancel-us-and-other-dreams-of-transformative-justice/9781849354226 and https://bookshop.org/books/pleasure-activism-the-politics-of-feeling-good/9781849353267, as well as a workbook for facilitation and mediation, https://bookshop.org/books/holding-change-the-way-of-emergent-strategy-facilitation-and-mediation/9781849354189. She is the co-editor of https://bookshop.org/books/octavia-s-brood-science-fiction-stories-from-social-justice-movements-9781849352093/9781849352093?gclid=Cj0KCQjwntCVBhDdARIsAMEwACl-J7BHRy2CXNgvxl-5r1q2dcB2Nn4YBRH0x9v1FBgLhOgv84ZJHZgaAmWREALw_wcBtories-from-social-justice-movements/9781531871291 and co-hosts several podcasts, including https://www.readingoctavia.com/ and https://www.endoftheworldshow.org/. She is the writer-in-residence at the Emergent Strategy Ideation Institute http://esii.org, which she founded.  Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/adrienne-maree-brown-we-are-in-a-time-of-new-suns/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org.

50m
Jun 23
[Unedited] adrienne maree brown with Krista Tippett

“What a time to be alive,” adrienne maree brown has written. “Right now we are in a fast river together — every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred.” adrienne maree brown and others use many words and phrases to describe what she does, and who she is: A student of complexity. A student of change and of how groups change together. A “scholar of belonging.” A “scholar of magic.” She grew up loving science fiction, and thought we’d be driving flying cars by now; and yet, has found in speculative fiction the transformative force of vision and imagination that might in fact save us. Our younger listeners have asked to hear adrienne maree brown’s voice on , and here she is, as we enter our own time of evolution. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. -- In this time of new suns here at , we are in learning mode — listening to the world, and listening to you. Would you take a few minutes to visit onbeing.org/survey http://onbeing.org/survey and answer a few questions that will help us know who you are and how can accompany you in the time ahead? We would be so grateful… 🙏 -- adrienne maree brown is the author of wildly influential books including https://bookshop.org/books/emergent-strategy-shaping-change-changing-worlds/9781849352604 https://bookshop.org/books/we-will-not-cancel-us-and-other-dreams-of-transformative-justice/9781849354226 and https://bookshop.org/books/pleasure-activism-the-politics-of-feeling-good/9781849353267, as well as a workbook for facilitation and mediation, https://bookshop.org/books/holding-change-the-way-of-emergent-strategy-facilitation-and-mediation/9781849354189. She is the co-editor of https://bookshop.org/books/octavia-s-brood-science-fiction-stories-from-social-justice-movements-9781849352093/9781849352093?gclid=Cj0KCQjwntCVBhDdARIsAMEwACl-J7BHRy2CXNgvxl-5r1q2dcB2Nn4YBRH0x9v1FBgLhOgv84ZJHZgaAmWREALw_wcBtories-from-social-justice-movements/9781531871291 and co-hosts several podcasts, including https://www.readingoctavia.com/ and https://www.endoftheworldshow.org/. She is the writer-in-residence at the Emergent Strategy Ideation Institute http://esii.org, which she founded. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "adrienne maree brown — ‘We are in a time of new suns’." Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/adrienne-maree-brown-we-are-in-a-time-of-new-suns/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org.

1h 44m
Jun 23
Ocean Vuong – A Life Worthy of Our Breath

We are in the final weeks as evolves to its next chapter — in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we’ve only begun to process and fathom. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. Yet what’s most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit — its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. -- LISTENING TO OUR LISTENERS - Please take our short (but important) survey! This summer, we’re entering creative recharge and learning mode. Would you visit onbeing.org/survey http://onbeing.org/survey and answer a few questions about who you are and how can accompany you in the time ahead? We would be so grateful 🙏. -- Ocean Vuong is a professor in the MFA Program in Creative Writing at New York University. His new collection of poetry is https://bookshop.org/books/time-is-a-mother/9780593300237. He is also the author of a novel, https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/600633/on-earth-were-briefly-gorgeous-by-ocean-vuong/, and the poetry collection https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/night-sky-with-exit-wounds-by-ocean-vuong/, which won the T.S. Eliot Prize and the Whiting Award. He was a 2019 MacArthur Fellow.  Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/ocean-vuong-a-life-worthy-of-our-breath-2022/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired on April 30, 2020.

50m
Jun 16
[Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett

We are in the final weeks as evolves to its next chapter — in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we’ve only begun to process and fathom. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. Yet what’s most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit — its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. -- LISTENING TO OUR LISTENERS - Please take our short (but important) survey! This summer, we’re entering creative recharge and learning mode. Would you visit onbeing.org/survey http://onbeing.org/survey and answer a few questions about who you are and how can accompany you in the time ahead? We would be so grateful 🙏. -- Ocean Vuong is a professor in the MFA Program in Creative Writing at New York University. His new collection of poetry is https://bookshop.org/books/time-is-a-mother/9780593300237. He is also the author of a novel, https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/600633/on-earth-were-briefly-gorgeous-by-ocean-vuong/, and the poetry collection https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/night-sky-with-exit-wounds-by-ocean-vuong/, which won the T.S. Eliot Prize and the Whiting Award. He was a 2019 MacArthur Fellow. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Ocean Vuong — A Life Worthy of Our Breath." Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/ocean-vuong-a-life-worthy-of-our-breath-2022/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired on April 30, 2020.

1h 32m
Jun 16
Ayana Elizabeth Johnson — What If We Get This Right?

Amidst all of the perspectives and arguments around our ecological future, this much is true: we are not the natural world — we are part it. The next-generation marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson would let that reality of belonging show us the way forward. She loves the ocean. She loves human beings. And she’s animated by questions emerging from those loves — and from the science she does — which we scarcely know how to take seriously amidst so much demoralizing bad ecological news. This hour, Krista draws out her creative and pragmatic inquiry: Could we let ourselves be led by what we already know how to do, and by what we have it in us to save? What, she asks, if we get this right?  This conversation was recorded at the 2022 TED Conference. You can hear all of the talks coming out of the conference by following the TED Talks Daily https://www.ted.com/about/programs-initiatives/ted-talks/ted-talks-daily podcast, wherever podcasts are found. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson is a marine biologist, and co-founder of the Urban Ocean Lab https://urbanoceanlab.org/, a think tank for coastal cities. She’s one of the creators of the podcast, “How to Save a Planet https://gimletmedia.com/shows/howtosaveaplanet,” and she co-edited the wonderful anthology https://bookshop.org/books/all-we-can-save-truth-courage-and-solutions-for-the-climate-crisis/9780593237083?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4PKTBhD8ARIsAHChzRKXbC6DJM356fFQZV7GrJFClmEHyr_8KQfwYg5QQe4n5EQO7bS4648aArftEALw_wcB. She’s also the co-founder of the All We Can Save Project https://www.allwecansave.earth/. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/ayana-elizabeth-johnson-what-if-we-get-this-right/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org.

50m
Jun 09
[Unedited] Ayana Elizabeth Johnson with Krista Tippett

Amidst all of the perspectives and arguments around our ecological future, this much is true: we are not the natural world — we are part it. The next-generation marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson would let that reality of belonging show us the way forward. She loves the ocean. She loves human beings. And she’s animated by questions emerging from those loves — and from the science she does — which we scarcely know how to take seriously amidst so much demoralizing bad ecological news. This hour, Krista draws out her creative and pragmatic inquiry: Could we let ourselves be led by what we already know how to do, and by what we have it in us to save? What, she asks, if we get this right?  This conversation was recorded at the 2022 TED Conference. You can hear all of the talks coming out of the conference by following the TED Talks Daily https://www.ted.com/about/programs-initiatives/ted-talks/ted-talks-daily podcast, wherever podcasts are found. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson is a marine biologist, and co-founder of the Urban Ocean Lab https://urbanoceanlab.org/, a think tank for coastal cities. She’s one of the creators of the podcast, “How to Save a Planet https://gimletmedia.com/shows/howtosaveaplanet,” and she co-edited the wonderful anthology https://bookshop.org/books/all-we-can-save-truth-courage-and-solutions-for-the-climate-crisis/9780593237083?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4PKTBhD8ARIsAHChzRKXbC6DJM356fFQZV7GrJFClmEHyr_8KQfwYg5QQe4n5EQO7bS4648aArftEALw_wcB. She’s also the co-founder of the All We Can Save Project https://www.allwecansave.earth/. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Ayana Elizabeth Johnson — What If We Get This Right?" Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/ayana-elizabeth-johnson-what-if-we-get-this-right/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org.

1h 19m
Jun 09
Rachel Naomi Remen – How We Live With Loss

The conversation of this hour always rises as an early experience that imprinted everything that came after at . Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is one of the wise people in our world. She trained as a doctor in a generation that understood death as a failure of medicine. Yet her lifelong struggle with Crohn’s Disease and her pioneering work with cancer patients shaped her view of life. Becoming whole, she teaches, is not about eradicating our wounds and weaknesses; rather, the way we deal with losses, large and small, shapes our capacity to be present to all of our experiences. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world — of healing we are all called to receive and to give. -- YOU ARE INVITED! A Listening Party. Celebrating the first 20 years of with Krista. All are welcome — bring friends and family. /onbeing.org/staywithus Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is founder of the Remen Institute for the Study of Health and Illness and a Professor of Family Medicine at the Boonshoft School of Medicine at Wright State University in Ohio. She’s also a Clinical Professor Emeritus of Family and Community Medicine at UC San Francisco School of Medicine, that’s where she developed “The Healer’s Art,” her course for medical students. Her beloved books include https://bookshop.org/books/kitchen-table-wisdom-stories-that-heal-10th-anniversary-edition/9781594482090 and https://bookshop.org/books/my-grandfather-s-blessings-stories-of-strength-refuge-and-belonging/9781573228565. And in September, 2022, she will publish her first book for children: https://bookshop.org/books/the-birthday-of-the-world-a-story-about-finding-light-in-everyone-and-everything/9781951836344. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/rachel-naomi-remen-how-we-live-with-loss/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in August 2005.

50m
Jun 02
[Unedited] Rachel Naomi Remen with Krista Tippett

The conversation of this hour always rises as an early experience that imprinted everything that came after at . Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is one of the wise people in our world. She trained as a doctor in a generation that understood death as a failure of medicine. Yet her lifelong struggle with Crohn’s Disease and her pioneering work with cancer patients shaped her view of life. Becoming whole, she teaches, is not about eradicating our wounds and weaknesses; rather, the way we deal with losses, large and small, shapes our capacity to be present to all of our experiences. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world — of healing we are all called to receive and to give. -- YOU ARE INVITED! A Listening Party. Celebrating the first 20 years of with Krista. All are welcome — bring friends and family. /onbeing.org/staywithus Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is founder of the Remen Institute for the Study of Health and Illness and a Professor of Family Medicine at the Boonshoft School of Medicine at Wright State University in Ohio. She’s also a Clinical Professor Emeritus of Family and Community Medicine at UC San Francisco School of Medicine, that’s where she developed “The Healer’s Art,” her course for medical students. Her beloved books include https://bookshop.org/books/kitchen-table-wisdom-stories-that-heal-10th-anniversary-edition/9781594482090 and https://bookshop.org/books/my-grandfather-s-blessings-stories-of-strength-refuge-and-belonging/9781573228565. And in September, 2022, she will publish her first book for children: https://bookshop.org/books/the-birthday-of-the-world-a-story-about-finding-light-in-everyone-and-everything/9781951836344. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Rachel Naomi Remen — How We Live With Loss." Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/rachel-naomi-remen-how-we-live-with-loss/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in August 2005.

1h 27m
Jun 02
David Whyte — Seeking Language Large Enough

It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. This conversational nature of reality — indeed, this drama of vitality — is something we have all been shown, willing or unwilling, in these years. Many have turned to David Whyte for his gorgeous, life-giving poetry and his wisdom at the interplay of theology, psychology, and leadership — his insistence on the power of a beautiful question and of everyday words amidst the drama of work as well as the drama of life. The notion of “frontier” — inner frontiers, outer frontiers — weaves through this hour. We surface this as a companion for the frontiers we are all on just by virtue of being alive in this time. David Whyte is the author of many books of poetry and prose. He grew up with a strong, imaginative influence from his Irish mother among the hills and valleys of his father’s Yorkshire. He now makes his home in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. He holds a degree in Marine Zoology and has worked as a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands. His books include https://bookshop.org/books/the-heart-aroused-poetry-and-the-preservation-of-the-soul-in-corporate-america/9780385484183?gclid=CjwKCAjwp7eUBhBeEiwAZbHwkeaTLy_Rp_Tu8JtBGwbSCl-sZb8odStGjPfM9paxjGuKoyr-Qc1iKRoCU9oQAvD_BwE, https://bookshop.org/books/consolations-the-solace-nourishment-and-underlying-meaning-of-everyday-words/9781932887341, and https://bookshop.org/books/the-bell-and-the-blackbird/9781932887471. His latest collections are https://bookshop.org/books/david-whyte-essentials/9781932887501 and https://davidwhyte.com/products/still-possible. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/david-whyte-seeking-language-large-enough/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in April, 2016.

50m
May 26
"Everything is Waiting for You" by David Whyte

David Whyte reads his poem, “Everything is Waiting for You https://onbeing.org/poetry/everything-is-waiting-for-you/.” This poem is featured in David’s conversation with Krista, “Seeking Language Large Enough https://onbeing.org/programs/david-whyte-seeking-language-large-enough.” Find more of his poems, along with our full collection of poetry films and readings from two decades of the show, at Experience Poetry https://onbeing.org/poetry-home/. David Whyte is the author of https://bookshop.org/books/the-heart-aroused-poetry-and-the-preservation-of-the-soul-in-corporate-america/9780385484183, https://bookshop.org/books/consolations-the-solace-nourishment-and-underlying-meaning-of-everyday-words/9781932887341?aid=3769&listref=david-whyte, and https://bookshop.org/books/the-bell-and-the-blackbird/9781932887471?aid=3769&listref=david-whyte. His latest collections are https://bookshop.org/books/david-whyte-essentials/9781932887501?aid=3769&listref=david-whyteand https://davidwhyte.com/products/still-possible.

2m
May 26
"Working Together" by David Whyte

David Whyte reads his poem, “Working Together https://onbeing.org/poetry/working-together/.” This poem is featured in David’s conversation with Krista, “Seeking Language Large Enough https://onbeing.org/programs/david-whyte-seeking-language-large-enough.” Find more of his poems, along with our full collection of poetry films and readings from two decades of the show, at Experience Poetry https://onbeing.org/poetry-home/. David Whyte is the author of https://bookshop.org/books/the-heart-aroused-poetry-and-the-preservation-of-the-soul-in-corporate-america/9780385484183, https://bookshop.org/books/consolations-the-solace-nourishment-and-underlying-meaning-of-everyday-words/9781932887341?aid=3769&listref=david-whyte, and https://bookshop.org/books/the-bell-and-the-blackbird/9781932887471?aid=3769&listref=david-whyte. His latest collections are https://bookshop.org/books/david-whyte-essentials/9781932887501?aid=3769&listref=david-whyteand https://davidwhyte.com/products/still-possible.

1m
May 26
"Sweet Darkness" by David Whyte

David Whyte reads his poem, “Sweet Darkness https://onbeing.org/poetry/sweet-darkness/.” This poem is featured in David’s conversation with Krista, “Seeking Language Large Enough https://onbeing.org/programs/david-whyte-seeking-language-large-enough.” Find more of his poems, along with our full collection of poetry films and readings from two decades of the show, at Experience Poetry https://onbeing.org/poetry-home/. David Whyte is the author of https://bookshop.org/books/the-heart-aroused-poetry-and-the-preservation-of-the-soul-in-corporate-america/9780385484183, https://bookshop.org/books/consolations-the-solace-nourishment-and-underlying-meaning-of-everyday-words/9781932887341?aid=3769&listref=david-whyte, and https://bookshop.org/books/the-bell-and-the-blackbird/9781932887471?aid=3769&listref=david-whyte. His latest collections are https://bookshop.org/books/david-whyte-essentials/9781932887501?aid=3769&listref=david-whyteand https://davidwhyte.com/products/still-possible.

1m
May 26
[Unedited] David Whyte with Krista Tippett

It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. This conversational nature of reality — indeed, this drama of vitality — is something we have all been shown, willing or unwilling, in these years. Many have turned to David Whyte for his gorgeous, life-giving poetry and his wisdom at the interplay of theology, psychology, and leadership — his insistence on the power of a beautiful question and of everyday words amidst the drama of work as well as the drama of life. The notion of “frontier” — inner frontiers, outer frontiers — weaves through this hour. We surface this as a companion for the frontiers we are all on just by virtue of being alive in this time. David Whyte is the author of many books of poetry and prose. He grew up with a strong, imaginative influence from his Irish mother among the hills and valleys of his father’s Yorkshire. He now makes his home in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. He holds a degree in Marine Zoology and has worked as a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands. His books include https://bookshop.org/books/the-heart-aroused-poetry-and-the-preservation-of-the-soul-in-corporate-america/9780385484183?gclid=CjwKCAjwp7eUBhBeEiwAZbHwkeaTLy_Rp_Tu8JtBGwbSCl-sZb8odStGjPfM9paxjGuKoyr-Qc1iKRoCU9oQAvD_BwE, https://bookshop.org/books/consolations-the-solace-nourishment-and-underlying-meaning-of-everyday-words/9781932887341, and https://bookshop.org/books/the-bell-and-the-blackbird/9781932887471. His latest collections are https://bookshop.org/books/david-whyte-essentials/9781932887501 and https://davidwhyte.com/products/still-possible. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "David Whyte — Seeking Language Large Enough." Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/david-whyte-seeking-language-large-enough/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in April, 2016.

1h 26m
May 26
BONUS: A Defining Moment from Krista — Celebrating Our First 20 Years

As we approach nearly two decades of , Krista shares a moment from the earliest years of the show that imprinted everything that followed. Hear Krista reflect on her 2005 conversation with Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen — and the wisdom she encountered that accumulated across the years into all The On Being Project is today, and all we continue to become.  You, too, can share a memory or experience from an episode that has stayed with you, or made a difference. Record your reflection with ease at onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus, where you can also sign up to receive invitations and updates about all that’s ahead as we take a new shape in the fall. Thank you in advance for this gift. We look forward to listening.

6m
May 24
Kimberley Wilson — Whole Body Mental Health

The British psychologist Kimberley Wilson works in the emergent field of whole body mental health, one of the most astonishing frontiers we are on as a species. Discoveries about the gut microbiome, for example, and the gut-brain axis; the fascinating vagus nerve and the power of the neurotransmitters we hear about in piecemeal ways in discussions around mental health. The phrase “mental health” itself makes less and less sense in light of the wild interactivity we can now see between what we’ve falsely compartmentalized as physical, emotional, mental, even spiritual. And so much of what we’re seeing brings us back to intelligence that has always been in the very words we use — “gut instinct,” for instance. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. There is so much actionable knowledge in the tour of the ecosystem of our bodies that Kimberley Wilson takes us on this hour. This is science that invites us to nourish the brains we need, young and old, to live in this world.  Kimberley Wilson has a private psychotherapy and nutrition practice http://www.monumentalhealth.co.uk/ in central London. She co-hosts the BBC Radio 4 podcast https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p094py21 and is the author of https://bookshop.org/books/how-to-build-a-healthy-brain-reduce-stress-anxiety-and-depression-and-future-proof-your-brain/9781529351491She came to the attention of many as a finalist in an early season of The Great British Bake Off https://thegreatbritishbakeoff.co.uk/. She grew up, as she tells it, eating both the West Indian food of her family and over-processed modern British fare. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/kimberley-wilson-whole-body-mental-health/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org. And, this week, an invitation: As you may have heard, after twenty years (!), we are transitioning from a weekly show to a seasonal podcast. We hope you’ll help us celebrate these first two decades, by sharing how you’ve made this adventure of conversation your own. We’ve made it easy (and fun) to record your reflection — and at the same time sign up to stay on top of what’s happening next: onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus. Krista will be offering some of her defining memories, too: in a special online event in June, on social media, and more. So — please and thank you — go to onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus.

50m
May 19
[Unedited] Kimberley Wilson with Krista Tippett

The British psychologist Kimberley Wilson works in the emergent field of whole body mental health, one of the most astonishing frontiers we are on as a species. Discoveries about the gut microbiome, for example, and the gut-brain axis; the fascinating vagus nerve and the power of the neurotransmitters we hear about in piecemeal ways in discussions around mental health. The phrase “mental health” itself makes less and less sense in light of the wild interactivity we can now see between what we’ve falsely compartmentalized as physical, emotional, mental, even spiritual. And so much of what we’re seeing brings us back to intelligence that has always been in the very words we use — “gut instinct,” for instance. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. There is so much actionable knowledge in the tour of the ecosystem of our bodies that Kimberley Wilson takes us on this hour. This is science that invites us to nourish the brains we need, young and old, to live in this world.  Kimberley Wilson has a private psychotherapy and nutrition practice http://www.monumentalhealth.co.uk/ in central London. She co-hosts the BBC Radio 4 podcast https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p094py21 and is the author of https://bookshop.org/books/how-to-build-a-healthy-brain-reduce-stress-anxiety-and-depression-and-future-proof-your-brain/9781529351491She came to the attention of many as a finalist in an early season of The Great British Bake Off https://thegreatbritishbakeoff.co.uk/. She grew up, as she tells it, eating both the West Indian food of her family and over-processed modern British fare. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the episode "Kimberley  Wilson — Whole Body Mental Health." Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/kimberley-wilson-whole-body-mental-health/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. And, this week, an invitation: As you may have heard, after twenty years (!), we are transitioning from a weekly show to a seasonal podcast. We hope you’ll help us celebrate these first two decades, by sharing how you’ve made this adventure of conversation your own. We’ve made it easy (and fun) to record your reflection — and at the same time sign up to stay on top of what’s happening next: onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus. Krista will be offering some of her defining memories, too: in a special online event in June, on social media, and more. So — please and thank you — go to onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus.

1h 37m
May 19
Robin Wall Kimmerer — The Intelligence of Plants

Few books have been more eagerly passed from hand to hand with delight in these last years than Robin Wall Kimmerer’s https://bookshop.org/books/braiding-sweetgrass-3e12996d-ea04-4dd2-b9a9-04cfd82f361f/9781571313560?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmuiTBhDoARIsAPiv6L_PPm8AkZt8ql2BGsdCirVrNKZCR4toFpvAYOcFAn-DVI41h3J9oE8aAkrcEALw_wcB Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. Robin is a botanist and also a member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. She’s written, “Science polishes the gift of seeing, indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language.” An expert in moss — a bryologist — she describes mosses as the “coral reefs of the forest.” Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. And, this week, an invitation: Krista recently announced that in June we are transitioning from a weekly show to a seasonal podcast. We hope you’ll help us celebrate this threshold, and these first two decades, by sharing how you’ve made this adventure of conversation your own: We’ve created a way for you to record your reflection simply — and at the same time sign up to stay on top of what’s happening next: onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus. Krista will be offering some of her defining memories, too: in a special online event in June, on social media, and more. So — please and thank you — go to onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus. Robin Wall Kimmerer is the State University of New York Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse. She is founding director of the Center for Native Peoples and the Environment. She works with tribal nations on environmental problem-solving and sustainability. Part of that work is about recovering lineages of knowledge that were made illegal in the policies of tribal assimilation which did not fully end in the U.S. until the 1970s. Her books include https://bookshop.org/books/gathering-moss-a-natural-and-cultural-history-of-mosses/9780870714993 and https://bookshop.org/books/braiding-sweetgrass/9781571313560. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/robin-wall-kimmerer-the-intelligence-of-plants-2022/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in February 2016.

50m
May 12
[Unedited] Robin Wall Kimmerer with Krista Tippett

Few books have been more eagerly passed from hand to hand with delight in these last years than Robin Wall Kimmerer’s https://bookshop.org/books/braiding-sweetgrass-3e12996d-ea04-4dd2-b9a9-04cfd82f361f/9781571313560?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmuiTBhDoARIsAPiv6L_PPm8AkZt8ql2BGsdCirVrNKZCR4toFpvAYOcFAn-DVI41h3J9oE8aAkrcEALw_wcB Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. Robin is a botanist and also a member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. She’s written, “Science polishes the gift of seeing, indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language.” An expert in moss — a bryologist — she describes mosses as the “coral reefs of the forest.” Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. And, this week, an invitation: Krista recently announced that in June we are transitioning from a weekly show to a seasonal podcast. We hope you’ll help us celebrate this threshold, and these first two decades, by sharing how you’ve made this adventure of conversation your own: We’ve created a way for you to record your reflection simply — and at the same time sign up to stay on top of what’s happening next: onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus. Krista will be offering some of her defining memories, too: in a special online event in June, on social media, and more. So — please and thank you — go to onbeing.org/staywithus http://onbeing.org/staywithus. Robin Wall Kimmerer is the State University of New York Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse. She is founding director of the Center for Native Peoples and the Environment. She works with tribal nations on environmental problem-solving and sustainability. Part of that work is about recovering lineages of knowledge that were made illegal in the policies of tribal assimilation which did not fully end in the U.S. until the 1970s. Her books include https://bookshop.org/books/gathering-moss-a-natural-and-cultural-history-of-mosses/9780870714993 and https://bookshop.org/books/braiding-sweetgrass/9781571313560. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Robin Wall Kimmerer — The Intelligence of Plants." Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/robin-wall-kimmerer-the-intelligence-of-plants-2022/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in February 2016.

1h 26m
May 12
Sylvia Boorstein – What We Nurture

A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit — a city in flux— on the theme of raising children. The conversation that resulted with the Jewish-Buddhist teacher and psychotherapist Sylvia Boorstein has been a companion to her and to many from that day forward. Here it is again as an offering for Mother’s Day — in a world still and again in flux, and where the matter of raising new human beings feels as complicated as ever before. Sylvia gifts us this teaching: that nurturing children’s inner lives can be woven into the fabric of our days — and that nurturing ourselves is also good for the children and everyone else in our lives. Sylvia Boorstein is a mother, grandmother, Jewish-Buddhist teacher, psychotherapist, and a founding teacher of Spirit Rock Meditation Center in Woodacre, California. Her books include https://bookshop.org/books/that-s-funny-you-don-t-look-buddhist-on-being-a-faithful-jew-and-a-passionate-buddhist/9780060609580, https://bookshop.org/books/it-s-easier-than-you-think-the-buddhist-way-to-happiness/9780062512949, https://bookshop.org/books/happiness-is-an-inside-job-practicing-for-a-joyful-life/9780345481320, and https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/546497/making-friends-with-the-present-moment-by-sylvia-boorstein/. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/sylvia-boorstein-what-we-nurture/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in May 2011.

50m
May 05
A Lovingkindness Meditation with Sylvia Boorstein

The beloved Buddhist-Jewish teacher Sylvia Boorstein led this impromptu, short meditation as part of her conversation with Krista Tippett (“What We Nurture”) https://onbeing.org/programs/sylvia-boorstein-what-we-nurture/ at a gathering in Michigan in 2011. It was a magical experience in which the audience fully participated. Find the original video and transcript https://onbeing.org/blog/sylvia-boorstein-a-lovingkindness-meditation/ at onbeing.org.

8m
May 05
[Unedited] Sylvia Boorstein with Krista Tippett

A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit — a city in flux— on the theme of raising children. The conversation that resulted with the Jewish-Buddhist teacher and psychotherapist Sylvia Boorstein has been a companion to her and to many from that day forward. Here it is again as an offering for Mother’s Day — in a world still and again in flux, and where the matter of raising new human beings feels as complicated as ever before. Sylvia gifts us this teaching: that nurturing children’s inner lives can be woven into the fabric of our days — and that nurturing ourselves is also good for the children and everyone else in our lives. Sylvia Boorstein is a mother, grandmother, Jewish-Buddhist teacher, psychotherapist, and a founding teacher of Spirit Rock Meditation Center in Woodacre, California. Her books include https://bookshop.org/books/that-s-funny-you-don-t-look-buddhist-on-being-a-faithful-jew-and-a-passionate-buddhist/9780060609580, https://bookshop.org/books/it-s-easier-than-you-think-the-buddhist-way-to-happiness/9780062512949, https://bookshop.org/books/happiness-is-an-inside-job-practicing-for-a-joyful-life/9780345481320, and https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/546497/making-friends-with-the-present-moment-by-sylvia-boorstein/. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Sylvia Boorstein — What We Nurture." Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/sylvia-boorstein-what-we-nurture/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in May 2011.

1h 30m
May 05
Pádraig Ó Tuama — “This fantastic argument of being alive”

Pádraig Ó Tuama is a friend, teacher, and colleague to the work of On Being. But before that was true, Krista took a revelatory trip to meet him at his home in Northern Ireland, a place that has known sectarianism and violent fracture and has evolved, not to perfection, yet to new life and once unimaginable repair and relationship. Our whole world screams of fracture, more now than when Krista sat with Pádraig in 2016. This conversation is a gentle, welcoming landing for pondering and befriending hard realities we are given. As the global educator Karen Murphy https://onbeing.org/programs/karen-murphy-the-long-view-ii-on-who-we-can-become/, another friend of On Being and of Pádraig, once said to Krista: “Let’s have the humility and the generosity to step back and learn from these places that have had the courage to look at themselves and look at where they’ve been and try to forge a new path with something that resembles ‘together’ … Right now we should be taking these stories and these examples and these places and filling our pockets and our lungs and our hearts and our minds with them and learning deeply.” And that’s what this hour with Pádraig invites. Pádraig Ó Tuama is a theologian, writer, and conflict transformation practitioner. He is a member and former leader of the Corrymeela Community of Northern Ireland. His books include an incandescent memoir, https://bookshop.org/books/in-the-shelter-finding-a-home-in-the-world/9781506470528; a prayer book, https://bookshop.org/books/daily-prayer-with-the-corrymeela-community/9781848258686; a book of poetry, https://bookshop.org/books/sorry-for-your-troubles/9781848254626; and a book of theology and politics co-authored with Glenn Jordan, https://bookshop.org/books/borders-and-belonging-the-book-of-ruth-a-story-for-our-times/9781786222565. He hosts the Studios podcast https://onbeing.org/series/poetry-unbound/. His forthcoming book, , https://bookshop.org/books/poetry-unbound-50-poems-to-open-your-world/9781324035473will be published in October 2022 and is available for pre-order wherever you get your books. Pádraig grew up in the Republic of Ireland, near Cork. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/padraig-o-tuama-this-fantastic-argument-of-being-alive/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in March 2017.  

49m
Apr 28
[Unedited] Pádraig Ó Tuama with Krista Tippett

Pádraig Ó Tuama is a friend, teacher, and colleague to the work of On Being. But before that was true, Krista took a revelatory trip to meet him at his home in Northern Ireland, a place that has known sectarianism and violent fracture and has evolved, not to perfection, yet to new life and once unimaginable repair and relationship. Our whole world screams of fracture, more now than when Krista sat with Pádraig in 2016. This conversation is a gentle, welcoming landing for pondering and befriending hard realities we are given. As the global educator Karen Murphy https://onbeing.org/programs/karen-murphy-the-long-view-ii-on-who-we-can-become/, another friend of On Being and of Pádraig, once said to Krista: “Let’s have the humility and the generosity to step back and learn from these places that have had the courage to look at themselves and look at where they’ve been and try to forge a new path with something that resembles ‘together’ … Right now we should be taking these stories and these examples and these places and filling our pockets and our lungs and our hearts and our minds with them and learning deeply.” And that’s what this hour with Pádraig invites. Pádraig Ó Tuama is a theologian, writer, and conflict transformation practitioner. He is a member and former leader of the Corrymeela Community of Northern Ireland. His books include an incandescent memoir, https://bookshop.org/books/in-the-shelter-finding-a-home-in-the-world/9781506470528; a prayer book, https://bookshop.org/books/daily-prayer-with-the-corrymeela-community/9781848258686; a book of poetry, https://bookshop.org/books/sorry-for-your-troubles/9781848254626; and a book of theology and politics co-authored with Glenn Jordan, https://bookshop.org/books/borders-and-belonging-the-book-of-ruth-a-story-for-our-times/9781786222565. He hosts the Studios podcast https://onbeing.org/series/poetry-unbound/. His forthcoming book, , https://bookshop.org/books/poetry-unbound-50-poems-to-open-your-world/9781324035473will be published in October 2022 and is available for pre-order wherever you get your books. Pádraig grew up in the Republic of Ireland, near Cork. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode Pádraig Ó Tuama — “This fantastic argument of being alive.” Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/padraig-o-tuama-this-fantastic-argument-of-being-alive/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in March 2017.  

1h 41m
Apr 28
Ai-jen Poo and Tarana Burke — The Future of Hope 5

The visionary, next-generation organizer Ai-jen Poo says this of Tarana Burke: “There are just so many layers of hope that she brings to the world and to people like me, to survivors, to all kinds of communities.” Ai-jen and Tarana are the conversation partners for this episode of The Future of Hope. And what a conversation it is. We listen in on a brilliant friendship that has powered and sustained two extraordinary women who are leading defining movements of this generation that call us to our highest humanity. Ai-jen has been long ahead of a cultural curve we are all on now — of seeing the urgent calling to update and transform not just how we value the caregiving workforce of millions, but how we value care itself as a society. Tarana founded the ‘me too.’ Movement. What you are about to hear is intimate, revelatory, and rooted in trust and care. It’s also an invitation to all of us, to imagine and build a more graceful way to remake the world. Ai-jen Poo co-founded and leads The National Domestic Workers Alliance, is the director of Caring Across Generations, and co-founder of Supermajority. Among her countless awards, she was a 2014 MacArthur Fellow. She’s the author of https://bookshop.org/books/the-age-of-dignity-preparing-for-the-elder-boom-in-a-changing-america/9781620970386Her previous conversation with Krista is “This Is Our (Caring) Revolution https://onbeing.org/programs/ai-jen-poo-this-is-our-caring-revolution/” — find it at onbeing.org and in your podcast feed.  Tarana Burke has been organizing within issues facing Black women and girls for over three decades. Her many accolades include the 2019 Sydney Peace Prize and the Gleitsman Citizen Activist Award from Harvard’s Center for Public Leadership. She’s the author of https://bookshop.org/books/unbound-my-story-of-liberation-and-the-birth-of-the-me-too-movement/9781250621733 Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/ai-jen-poo-and-tarana-burke-the-future-of-hope-5/#transcript for this show at onbeing.org.  

50m
Apr 21
Avivah Zornberg — Human Becoming, Between Biblical Lines

You probably know the outline of the Exodus story and its main characters: Moses, the Pharaoh, the burning bush, the plagues, the parting of the sea. And, in another realm of the power of story, the words “let my people go” and the arc of liberation from slavery have inspired people in crisis and catharsis across time and cultures. Call it “myth” if you will — as the Greek Statesman Solon said, myth is not something that never happened. It’s something that happens over and over and over again. Avivah Zornberg walks us through the Exodus story that is relived in the Jewish Passover and resonates through Easter. She is a modern-day master of midrash — the ancient Jewish art of inquiry for discovering the deepest of meaning in and between the biblical lines. What can look simple on the surface, as she reveals, is a cargo of hidden stories that tell the messy, strange, redemptive truth of us as we are and life as it is. Krista and Avivah Zornberg had this lovely, intimate conversation in the early days of this show, in 2005. Avivah Zornberg is a scholar of the Torah and a modern-day master of midrash. She lives in Israel but grew up in Scotland, the daughter and granddaughter of East European rabbis. And before she taught the Bible, she taught English literature. She is the author of many books, including https://bookshop.org/books/the-particulars-of-rapture-reflections-on-exodos/9780805212372, https://bookshop.org/books/beginning-of-desire-reflections-on-pb-reflections-on-genesis/9780805212396, https://bookshop.org/books/bewilderments-reflections-on-the-book-of-numbers/9780805212518, and most recently, https://bookshop.org/books/the-hidden-order-of-intimacy-reflections-on-the-book-of-leviticus/9780805243574. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/avivah-zornberg-human-becoming-between-biblical-lines/#transcriptfor this show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in April, 2005.

51m
Apr 14
[Unedited] Avivah Zornberg with Krista Tippett

You probably know the outline of the Exodus story and its main characters: Moses, the Pharaoh, the burning bush, the plagues, the parting of the sea. And, in another realm of the power of story, the words “let my people go” and the arc of liberation from slavery have inspired people in crisis and catharsis across time and cultures. Call it “myth” if you will — as the Greek Statesman Solon said, myth is not something that never happened. It’s something that happens over and over and over again. Avivah Zornberg walks us through the Exodus story that is relived in the Jewish Passover and resonates through Easter. She is a modern-day master of midrash — the ancient Jewish art of inquiry for discovering the deepest of meaning in and between the biblical lines. What can look simple on the surface, as she reveals, is a cargo of hidden stories that tell the messy, strange, redemptive truth of us as we are and life as it is. Krista and Avivah Zornberg had this lovely, intimate conversation in the early days of this show, in 2005. Avivah Zornberg is a scholar of the Torah and a modern-day master of midrash. She lives in Israel but grew up in Scotland, the daughter and granddaughter of East European rabbis. And before she taught the Bible, she taught English literature. She is the author of many books, including https://bookshop.org/books/the-particulars-of-rapture-reflections-on-exodos/9780805212372, https://bookshop.org/books/beginning-of-desire-reflections-on-pb-reflections-on-genesis/9780805212396, https://bookshop.org/books/bewilderments-reflections-on-the-book-of-numbers/9780805212518, and most recently, https://bookshop.org/books/the-hidden-order-of-intimacy-reflections-on-the-book-of-leviticus/9780805243574. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Avivah Zornberg — Human Becoming, Between Biblical Lines." Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/avivah-zornberg-human-becoming-between-biblical-lines/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in April, 2005.

1h 11m
Apr 14
Eugene Peterson — Answering God

“Prayers are tools not for doing or getting, but for being and becoming.” These are words of the late legendary biblical interpreter and teacher Eugene Peterson. At the back of the church he pastored for nearly three decades, you’d be likely to find well-worn copies of books by Wallace Stegner or Denise Levertov. Frustrated with the unimaginative way he found his congregants treating their Bibles, he translated the whole thing himself and that translation has sold millions of copies around the world. Eugene Peterson’s literary biblical imagination formed generations of pastors, teachers, and readers. His down-to-earth faith hinged on a love of metaphor and a commitment to the Bible’s poetry as what keeps it alive to the world. Eugene Peterson wrote over 30 books including https://bookshop.org/books/answering-god-the-psalms-as-tools-for-prayer/9780060665128, https://bookshop.org/books/christ-plays-in-ten-thousand-places-a-conversation-in-spiritual-theology/9780802862976and https://bookshop.org/books/the-message-ministry-edition/9781600065941. In 2021, a Lenten sermon series of his was published posthumously with the title: https://bookshop.org/books/this-hallelujah-banquet-how-the-end-of-what-we-were-reveals-who-we-can-be/9781601429858He served as the pastor of Christ Our King Presbyterian Church for 29 years. He spent the last years of his life with his wife, Jan, at the home his father built in Lakeside, Montana, just outside Glacier National Park. That’s where he was when he spoke with Krista in 2016, two years before he died at the age of 85. Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/eugene-peterson-answering-god/#transcriptfor this show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in December 2016.

50m
Apr 07
[Unedited] Eugene Peterson with Krista Tippett

“Prayers are tools not for doing or getting, but for being and becoming.” These are words of the late legendary biblical interpreter and teacher Eugene Peterson. At the back of the church he pastored for nearly three decades, you’d be likely to find well-worn copies of books by Wallace Stegner or Denise Levertov. Frustrated with the unimaginative way he found his congregants treating their Bibles, he translated the whole thing himself and that translation has sold millions of copies around the world. Eugene Peterson’s literary biblical imagination formed generations of pastors, teachers, and readers. His down-to-earth faith hinged on a love of metaphor and a commitment to the Bible’s poetry as what keeps it alive to the world. Eugene Peterson wrote over 30 books including https://bookshop.org/books/answering-god-the-psalms-as-tools-for-prayer/9780060665128, https://bookshop.org/books/christ-plays-in-ten-thousand-places-a-conversation-in-spiritual-theology/9780802862976and https://bookshop.org/books/the-message-ministry-edition/9781600065941. In 2021, a Lenten sermon series of his was published posthumously with the title: https://bookshop.org/books/this-hallelujah-banquet-how-the-end-of-what-we-were-reveals-who-we-can-be/9781601429858He served as the pastor of Christ Our King Presbyterian Church for 29 years. He spent the last years of his life with his wife, Jan, at the home his father built in Lakeside, Montana, just outside Glacier National Park. That’s where he was when he spoke with Krista in 2016, two years before he died at the age of 85. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode “Eugene Peterson – Answering God.” Find the transcript https://onbeing.org/programs/eugene-peterson-answering-god/#transcript for that show at onbeing.org. This show originally aired in December 2016.

1h 22m
Apr 07