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 Rabbi Ami: The Aravah used on Hoshana Rabbah [or every day in the Beis Hamikdash] requires a certain measure. It must be taken on its own, not with the lulav. One cannot fulfill his obligation with the Aravah that’s bound in the lulav. 

 Summary 

 Rav Chisda quoting Rav Yitzchok: One can fulfill his obligation with the aravah in the lulav [it is not clear if he means “by picking up the lulav”, or “by picking up the lulav a second time with a different intent”, since the halacha doesn’t follow this opinion, we do not have a clear answer].

 Question: What is the measure? 

 Rav Nachman: Three stems of fresh leaves. 

 Rav Sheishes: Even one leaf and one stem.

 Challenge: How can that be kosher?

 Resolution: One leaf on one stem. [ Rashi: We’re discussing here the aravah used in the Beis Hamikdash, because the aravah in the lulav, we learned above must be 3 tefachim high. But the Poskim say that this kulah applies also to the aravah of the lulav].

 Ayvo [the father of Rav]: I was standing in front of Rabbi Elazar bar Tzadok [he was an old man who had still been in the Beis Hamikdash] and someone brought him an aravah, he shook it but didn’t make a bracha [there’s a question on how to fulfill this minhag, according to Rashi it is merely waved, according to others you hit the ground with it, according to others some of the leaves should be knocked off].