My guest today is Mike Masnick, the founder and CEO of Techdirt, the excellent and long-running tech policy blog. Mike has been writing about government overreach, privacy in the digital age, and other related topics for decades now, and he’s an expert on how the internet and the surveillance state have grown in interconnected ways over the past two decades.

I wanted to have Mike on the show to discuss the messy, fast-moving situation at Anthropic, the maker of Claude that now finds itself in a very ugly legal battle with the Pentagon. Instead of covering the daily drama, I wanted to dig in specifically on Anthropic's surveillance red line, and the important history and context around digital privacy in the U.S. that shapes how we should think about this going forward. 

Links:


AI bros wanted Trump — now they learn what happens when you tell him no | Techdirt


OpenAI’s ‘red lines’ are written in the NSA’s dictionary | Techdirt


Anthropic is suing the Department of Defense | The Verge


Anthropic launches new think tank amid Pentagon fight | The Verge


How OpenAI caved to the Pentagon on AI surveillance | The Verge


Inside the backlash to the AI war machine | Platformer


The Pentagon is violating Anthropic's First Amendment rights | FIRE


Why the Pentagon wants to destroy Anthropic | Ezra Klein / NYT



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