Another Podcast

Benedict Evans, Toni Cowan-Brown
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If you're looking for another over-scripted and edited podcast, this is not it. But if you want to listen to honest and unfiltered discussions about the latest in tech and its impact on society, welcome, you have come to the right place.

This is Another Podcast where two friends and colleagues discuss their overlapping experiences and perspectives on what happens in technology. We might know some of the same things, yet we also have different backgrounds and expertise, or at least, we ask different questions.

Benedict Evans has worked in equity research, strategy and venture capital and owns lots of old phones; Toni Cowan-Brown works at the intersection of tech, policy and politics.

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86 episodes

Looking for AI use-cases

Generative AI is the thing, and all new software will be built around it. But while everyone is experimenting and some people are getting huge value out of ChatGPT or Midjourney right now, others haven't worked out how to make it useful. Yet. So how do we find use-cases for a universal, general purpose, magical technology, and is that a crazy question?

31m
Apr 01, 2024
Tiktok, Apple and Temu

Will the US finally break up Tiktok? Will the EU break up the App Store? And why does Temu want to keep your orders under $800?

34m
Mar 13, 2024
Google Gemini and AI bias

Are there questions that an AI chatbot shouldn't answer? Should it always give the 'right answer'? Are you sure? Google has egg on its face this week, but this isn't easy, and with generative AI, we're going to re-run all the arguments and panics we had over content moderation in the last decade.  

32m
Mar 03, 2024
Breaking and remaking media

We’re past peak TV, the charts are curving down, and Hollywood is pretty sure that streaming was a bad idea. On the other hand, music is growing strongly and might even end up bigger than CDs. Why have newspapers, books, movies, TV and music coped so differently with the internet?

39m
Feb 16, 2024
Apple's Vision Pro

Yes, we bought one. What’s it like and what can we say that we didn’t say last summer? What has Apple built, what is it for, what does it mean for Meta, and why does it cost $3,500? 

30m
Feb 08, 2024
What's your AI strategy?

Everyone needs an AI strategy (there was an email from the CEO!) but what would that mean? How does a big company work out how to deploy a new technology? How is this the same as every other platform shift, and how might it be different? 

34m
Jan 29, 2024
AI and Everything Else

Every year, Benedict produces a big presentation exploring macro and strategic trends in the tech industry. Here are some of the key takeaways from this year's presentation - AI, and everything else. Presentation - https://www.ben-evans.com/presentations  https://www.ben-evans.com/presentations

35m
Dec 17, 2023
LLMs, links, and the death of links

We spent the last 30 years building structures on top or instead of the raw links of the web, from Google to TikTok… but now LLMs might read all the links for us. 

30m
Oct 29, 2023
Bundling/Unbundling AI

ChatGPT and LLMs can do anything (or look like they can), so what can you do with them? How do you know? Do we move to chat bots as a magical general-purpose interface, or do we unbundle them back into single-purpose software?

37m
Oct 22, 2023
The magic customer

A conversation with Leonard Brody, Co-Founder and Executive Chairman of Caravan. How do you build brands and consumer products in a world of infinite choice and infinite media? And how does celebrity fit into that?  Caravan https://hellocaravan.com

58m
Oct 15, 2023
Unbundling ChatGPT

Nine months on, everyone is still trying to understand where ChatGPT will go, but one big question for us: how is this useful, for us, today? What's the product? How does this get unbundled?

24m
Aug 17, 2023
Threads

What is Threads? A Twitter that doesn't suck? Something else? Could it work? 

42m
Jul 21, 2023
Vision Pro, two weeks on

Two weeks after Apple showed us the Vision Pro - what have they built, what is it for, what does it mean for Meta, and why does it cost $3,500? Check back in 2025. Apple's product pages https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro/ (watch some of this if you haven't already). 

44m
Jun 18, 2023
Apple Vision

Apple does VR. We watched. We took pictures. We talk about it. 

28m
Jun 05, 2023
Working out AI questions

We don't know what generative AI will be (or what will happen next week), but we're starting to work out what questions to ask

38m
May 01, 2023
Buzzfeed News, Reddit and OpenAI

Buzzfeed News dies just as Reddit and Stack Overflow say they'll charge LLMs to train on their data. Who owns content and how does distribution work in an LLM age? Are those the right questions? What should we be asking? 

34m
Apr 24, 2023
Metaverse and crypto - beyond the BS

Crypto crashed, metaverse was silly, and now we know that generative AI is the future of everything. Right? Well, sort of. But though the hype has moved on, the reasons web3 and VR were interesting haven't really changed. 

38m
Apr 16, 2023
AI, copyright and collective knowledge

If you spend an hour typing prompts into MidJourney, who owns the result? There are easy answers to this, but they're probably wrong - these are new questions with new puzzles, much like radio, photography or music before. 

29m
Apr 02, 2023
GPT-4 is here, now what?

Generative machine learning is moving so fast it's impossible to keep up. What questions can we ask about GPT4, before everything changes again next week?

39m
Mar 27, 2023
The right questions to ask about TikTok

The 'ban it' snowball is getting bigger and bigger, but what problem are we solving - privacy, or propaganda? How does this scale to all the other Chinese apps? And meanwhile, how well do we pay attention to the product itself? 

40m
Mar 20, 2023
Amazon's $40B advertising business

Amazon sold close to $40bn of advertising last year - bigger than Prime, bigger than the entire global newspaper industry and probably more profitable than AWS. But is this really advertising, rent, or something else? And what does that mean for Google? Blog post and charts https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2023/3/6/ways-to-think-about-amazon-advertising 

31m
Mar 12, 2023
ChatGPT versus Google

Microsoft thinks (or says) that Generative ML will reset the search market, unlocking Google's market share and collapsing those 60% operating margins. Really? What would that mean?

34m
Feb 12, 2023
Generative search

What would generative search mean? Generative video? Indeed, Generative products? Last week we talked about how ChatGPT, LLMs and generative ML work - now, what might they mean. 

35m
Feb 06, 2023
Generative AI

The wave of enthusiasm around ChatGPT and generative AI feels like another Imagenet moment - a step change in what ‘AI’ can do that could generalise far beyond the cool demos. But - it makes things up, and it doesn't actually understand anything it's doing. Probably. What does that mean? What's this for?

34m
Jan 30, 2023
Why are chips interesting again?

Chips have always been the foundation of tech, but the rest of us didn't need to pay much attention - stuff just got faster every year. But now there are actual real, big, interesting structural changes happening - what does that look like?

41m
Dec 19, 2022
No Soup for You! Regulating tech M&A

Within and Activision, but also PA Semi and Android - how do we think about big tech buying stuff, and why is it hard for regulators?

38m
Dec 11, 2022
ChatGPT and the Imagenet Moment

When machine learning started really working, back in 2012-13-14, the demos were amazing, but it wasn't immediately obvious how universal the applications would be. The same with Generative AI now - now - the demos are cool, but what will they mean? How will this generalise to change search or law firms?

40m
Dec 05, 2022
All the other things happening in tech part 1.

What does Anker have to do with Mr Beast, Amazon ads or Aesop? A chat about unbundling ecommerce and building brands in a world of infinite media. 

30m
Nov 29, 2022
The FTX face-palm

What can we say about a ‘crypto’ crash if we’re not crypto people, nor Wall Street people? How much does it matter?

30m
Nov 18, 2022
How many metaverses?

Every now and then, big company CEOs all read the same tech trends piece and send the same email - "what's our strategy for this?!" And in 2022, there were a lot of "metaverse?!" emails. But what does 'metaverse' mean, can you have a strategy for it, and do you even need to care? Probably not. 

32m
Oct 31, 2022