The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything Recruiting, Recruitment Marketing, Technology, Talent Management, and Workforce Economics wrapped in brash opinions and loads of snark. Industry veterans Chad Sowash & Joel Cheesman share their experience and opinion on a wide variety of topics and current news stories. Hiring companies, employers, and vendors tune in for insights from practitioners, vendors, startups, and these two knuckleheads.

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1041 episodes

Chatbots Are Back!

If you’re tired of hearing about ChatGPT, employers and vendors behaving badly, money-grubbing startups, and millions being made on OnlyFans, then maybe this episode isn’t for you. But in the likely chance that these topics are just what the doctor ordered, Chad & Cheese cover: Beamery boarding the ChatGPT train, Deel and Chipotle losing the Employer of the Year competition in just the first quarter of 2023, Buy-or-Sell with Paraform, Workera, and Payday, and a lawyer giving up the legal professional for a lewd career on OnlyFans. Feel free to hold us in contempt of court, counselor! FULL TRANSCRIPT AT

Mar 31
Shredded: Workera, Paraform, CoachHub, Payday, EuroJobsites, Carbon Neutral Club & More

The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Mar 30
Marketing is Clueless with Brett Marz

Too often, marketing and Human Resources seem to speak different languages, which is a shame, because they have so much in common. The message that happy employees equals happy customers is ignored by too many companies. That’s we brought Brett Marz, co-founder at BAMKO (not to be mistaken for Ronco). Haven’t heard of BAMKO? They’re a more than $200 million company that designs, manufactures, and delivers award-winning branded merchandise for some of the world’s biggest brands, typically supporting employee engagement items. Needless to say, he has a lot to say on the disconnect between marketing and talent acquisition, and you’re going to hear about it. Enjoy.

Mar 29
Building a Talent Powerhouse with Tech, Automation & Revenue Growth

Today we have a special edition of The Chad & Cheese Podcast for you today. Cue the ABBA music, which can only mean one thing, a Swedish twist as Sara Dalsfelt, Head of Brand and Community, over at Adway invited Joel and me to come on her show to talk about Building a TA Power House through Tech, Automation, & Revenue Growth. With over 1,800 registrants, much like every show, Joel and I knew that we had to bring the heat. So, we did... Enjoy!

Mar 27
Laid off? Indeed, You Are

Layoffs! Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, Indeed dropped a layoff bomb this week, saying adios to 2,200 employees. Paradox officially launched an applicant tracking service, telling Fountain AI, “hold my beer.” Rippling slimes us, Ghostbusters-style. The boys play a little Buy-or-Sell with Rain and RiseKit. Karat acquires TripleByte’s tired ass and Dice gets a proverbial smackdown from the Feds. Whew! There’s a lot of meat on the bones of this week’s show, you lucky bastards.

Mar 24
Shredded: Rippling, Radancy, Wingspan, RogueHire, RiseKit, ZingHR, Cruit, dscout & More

The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Jobcase.

Mar 23
Grouch to Grinch

If you hear “CTO” and think chief technology officer, you clearly don’t work for United Airlines, where CTO now means chief trash officer. That’s right, United has employed Sesame Street’s Oscar the Grouch for their latest ad campaign. Don't worry, it’ll make sense after you listen. Additionally, Recruitics has published a great piece on ChatGPT as it pertains to recruiting and we discuss. We go from Grouch to Grinch to end the show, as we chat about Elon Musk’s recent foot-in-mouth actions that make DEI fans cringe and champions of serfdom cheer. Again, just listen, it’ll make sense.

Mar 22
Fixing Factory Job Gaps w/ Patrick O'Rahilly

Over 7 million men in America have opted out of the workforce. That’s a big problem for a lot of employers, but it’s an 800 lb. gorilla kind of problem for manufacturing businesses. So what the hell is going on? Thankfully, we invited Patrick O'Rahilly (pronounced like “O’Reilly”), founder at FactoryFix, a company dedicated to curing what ails such businesses. The boys didn’t quite solve this complex problem, but they sure had a lot of fun trying. Almost as much fun as you’ll have listening.

Mar 20
Chatbot Wars

Let’s see, Ted Lasso is back, St. Patrick’s Day is here and March Madness is in full effect. So how exactly are we supposed to muster the strength for a podcast? Well, OK, anything for you, you loyal listening selfish bastard! Here’s what's on tap this week: More Silicon Valley Bank drama, Fountain goes after Paradox, Acquisitions by Textkernel and Andela, Who’d Ya' Rather with Upduo and HeadRace A tale of two cities … one in Florida and one in New York (I know, the suspense is killing you). Now, back to the Jameson. Sláinte!

Mar 17
Shredded: Textkernel, Horsefly, Andela, Medwing, Upduo, Orio, HeadRace & More

The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Mar 16
Europe's SVB Inoculation

You’ve heard about the meltdown at Silicon Valley Bank, right? Well, did you know that startups that employ more than 10,000 people and have raised venture funding totaling £3.5 billion in the UK were banking with SVB? Sometimes, when Corporate America sneezes, Europe gets a cold. We discuss. Then it’s time for a little Buy-or-Sell with Jobgether, Desana and Horsefly. And what podcast episode in 2023 would be complete without ChatGPT, this time with a European spin? It’s the perfect cocktail of recruitment news and commentary, just in time for St. Patrick’s Day.

Mar 15
Firing Squad: Wilco's On Freund

We are total suckers for the ‘80s. That’s why we love Wilco’s website so much. If you haven’t checked it out, do yourself a favor if you love Pac-Man, Galaga, and Donkey Kong … basically, all-things 8-bit. Anyway, back to business, On Freund and Wilco has created a sort of knowledge base for developers within a company to not only learn new skills but also get the occasional refresher for the more seasoned professional. Is it the next big thing, or destined to the dustbin of history, along with Custer’s Revenge? Gotta listen to find out.

Mar 13
LinkedIn's Old and Indeed's Giggy

What a week! Fast Company celebrated LinkedIn’s 20th birthday, Indeed relaunched its Gig platform and TikTok is getting closer and closer to a ban in the U.S. Good thing Chad & Cheese are here to help you make sense of everything. In addition, AI has made resume carpet bombing easier than ever, and “body doubling” is now a thing we get to talk about in workforce circles. Money keeps flowing, which means more Buy-or-Sell, this time with Barley, Fount, and Glider AI are on the chopping block. More corporate insanity: Salesforce looks seriously out of touch, laying off thousands of employees while paying actor Matthew McConaughey $10 million annually to be a "creative adviser and TV pitchman" for the firm. It can all make you want to sail away, which is good because a new cruise line promises to be your floating workplace of the future. Ships ahoy! Let’s do this!

Mar 10
Shredded: Glider, GoCo, Fount, Barley, Tilt, Henchman, Highway Benefits, Jobgether, Desana & More

The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Mar 09
The People MBA with Jeff Lackey

You've heard it before: "HR deserves a seat at the table." It's far from reality for most organizations that see talent acquisition as a cost center and not the heartbeat of any successful company. That's why we invited Jeff Lackey, founder and CEO at JKL Advisors and podcast host of 'Growing Your Business with People' to come to give some sound advice on how Human Resources can get off the sidelines and into the game. A great discussion for newbies and grizzled veterans alike.

Mar 07
Shredded: WorkLlama, Bonusly, Leapgen, Gable, Robin AI, Bitwise Industries, Mercer & More

The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Mar 06
Indeed's House of Cards

Joel is haggard from 2,000 miles on the road this week, but that's nothing a beer, chicken tenders, a LIVE recording from a bar in Columbus Indiana, and BIG NEWS can't fix. What big news? Google for Jobs PAID ads present a serious risk to Indeed's new CPSA model ChatGPT presents a serious risk to Indeed's new CPSA model Indeed's model change wasn't timed well Workday's A.I. goes to court Mercer gets a shot of LeapGen botox and Buy or Sell with WorkLlama, Bonusly, and Gable... Sit back, pop a cold one, and enjoy what we do best - drink and talk. You're welcome!

Mar 03
Big in Deutschland

Joel takes this week off from the Europe show but leaves a little Virtual Cheese behind for the listeners. On this week's show: American companies make a vanity play with workers, Facebook steals instead of innovating, Lieven digs into House of HR's big acquisition in Germany Buy or Sell featuring Willo, Crew, and Brigad Plus the newest Serbian delegate to Pornhub Gern geschehen!

Mar 01
Reunion Squad: BrightHire's Teddy Chestnut

Reunited, and it feels so good. Last time we talked to Teddy Chestnut cofounder at Brighthire - the self-proclaimed “first interview intelligence platform” - they were cleaning on big applauses on Firing Squad. That was way back before the pandemic, and needless to say, the world is different. So how are things going. Chad & Cheese bring Teddy back check-in on the startup that was founded back in 2019 and has raised almost $40 million. Even Peaches and Herb would be envious.

Feb 27
Plum Cash & Indeed Trashed

You’re gonna feel this one, way deep down in your plums. While the number of companies getting over $50 million in funding these days is light, the number of companies getting millions isn’t waning. That’s why we highlight companies like, Workpay, LaborWorx and HireLogic, who’ve gotten funding this week. Want some AI with your startups, we cover news of artificial intelligence algos making layoff decisions at employers. Want some news from the world of remote work? Got that too. Amazon is pivoting to 3-day workweeks, a study of companies going with 4-day workweeks was a great hit and employers who’ve take tax incentives may find themselves forcing employees back to the office. Of course, what episode would be complete with more roasting of Indeed and their new pricing structure; expect this time, the trash talking comes from the buyers on the ground.

Feb 24
Shredded: Plum, Finch, Empyrean, Workpay, Hirelogic, Fring, Laborworx & More

The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Feb 23
The DACH Bubble w/ Wolfgang Brickwedde

If you believe Europe is a major player in the HR tech landscape - we certainly do - then you need to pay special attention to Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, a region where much of the continental growth is happening. To prove that point, Chad & Cheese had Wolfgang Brickwedde, Director of the Institute for Competitive Recruiting on the podcast while hanging out at UNLEASH in Paris. Based in Germany, "Wolfie" is uniquely positioned to give us a deep dive into this crucial region's role in recruitment globally, not just in Europe.

Feb 22
Has Indeed Gone Too Far?

Has Indeed finally gone too far? We dig into the latest from the Indeed / Glassdoor cartel. Their new pricing model is giving customers fits, stickin' it to small- and medium-sized businesses, and in some cases, making taxpayers foot the bill for their evil deeds. Then it’s time for a little Who’d Ya' Rather with and Kanarys. Jumping into Upwork's new full-time offering and a trip back in time where child labor is all the rage in Minnesota and Iowa follow what’s already a bangin' episode. Want more? We dissect bounced checks, unhappy customers, and ruined Thailand vacations, compliments of Starbucks.

Feb 17
Shredded: Fountain, Kanarys,, Willo, Crew, Adecco & More

The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Feb 16
The Promise of AI w/ Ryan Steelberg

ChatGPT. Deep fakes. Avatars. Google's Bard. In case you haven't noticed, artificial intelligence is changing the game. That's why we have Ryan Steelberg, Veritone's CEO and President, back on the show to check-in on the state of AI and how it impacts employment, as well as everything from communications to advertising and marketing. Veritone, who recently acquired PandoLogic, as well as Pando's Wade & Wendy, conversational AI solutions, also powers Chad & Cheese in French, Spanish, German and Portuguese. ¡Bueno!

Feb 15
Roe vs Wade's Corp Impact

Roe v. Wade being overturned has caused a wave of political upheaval in the United States, and many employers are being impacted. It's a big deal, especially for those who hire and employ Millennials and Gen Zs. That's why the boys invited Dr. Tana M. Session, an award-winning consultant, speaker, performance coach and best-selling author to the show. We're breaking down the tough issues and challenges companies are facing with the issue of abortion rights, and even throw in a little pay transparency debate for good measure.

Feb 13
Indeed's Monopoly

Pretty standard stuff this week: Industry layoffs at, Jobcase, and others. Unicorns. The Indeed Cartel. Buy-or-Sell with Moonhub, Listo, and Disclo. Workday's sugar daddy complex and pushes toward a 4-day work week. But while the menu is a bit vanilla, you can rest assured the spices that Chad & Cheese mix into this dish are guaranteed to leave you with a horrible case of heartburn. You have been warned, even though you know you can't look away.

Feb 10
Shredded: ShiftMed, Greetr, DailyPay, Moonhub, Listo Global, Disclo, ChangeEngine & More

The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s been acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you by Recruitology.

Feb 09
Ford's Euro Madness Job Cuts

Lieven and Chad dig deep into this week's topics as Joel takes time with family in Texas complete with a 6-pack of Lonestar. The boys talk about the impact of foreign job cuts in the EU. Is a maddening inflation-bloated economy the reason or just an excuse for Ford and others to bring jobs back to the U.S.? Welcome to the Jungle receives a big funding round and the boys break down the good, bad, and ugly aspects of the platform. Plus, a game of Buy or Sell with Coverflex, Emocional, and new Metaverse player Gemba. All the industry intelligence you can handle - No spy balloons necessary!

Feb 08
The Guild Effect

Re-skilling and up-skilling were a common theme throughout 2022, and it shows no signs of slowing down as we head into 2023. Turns out, offering candidates and employees the opportunity to grow professionally is great for recruiting and retention. That's why we invited Natalie McCullough president and chief commercial officer at Guild on the podcast. A graduate of Stanford and Harvard Business School, as well as being a Microsoft alum means she's a great person to talk to on the subject matter. Plus: Unicorn alert! Guild has raised over $643 million and has a $3.75 billion valuation. Companies like Walmart and Target rely on them to offer valuable continuing education solutions to their workforce. It's a must-listen for anyone hiring essential workers.

Feb 06