Discussing immigration, guest John Mollenkopf remarks that he’d “be doing a lot of what Mayor Adams is doing…screaming for help from the federal government” to allow immigrants to work and to get out of shelters. Mollenkopf pictures cities as "pumps,” drawing people in, lifting them up, providing mobility out of poverty, calling race and class, as factors contributing to a polarized society. Asked why NYC has so large a housing shortage, John Mollenkopf commented it’s hard and expensive to build in New York City.