Rosemary likes to think she's not superficial, so she starts out talking about charitable gifts – but soon the façade is forgotten as we get into the meat of what we'd like to find under the tree this Christmas.

It's very clear from this conversation that, as our Mum frequently tells us, we "don't need a thing!" but we'd like some nice things all the same.

Please share: what's top of your Christmas list this year?

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Not Without My Sister is presented by sisters Beatrice Mac Cabe and Rosemary Mac Cabe, in Fort Wayne, Indiana. This episode was edited by Liam Geraghty. Sound and original music by Don Kirkland. Original illustration by Lindsay Neilson.