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What happens when the life you built—carefully, faithfully, and publicly—splits down the middle in a single night? On this episode of , I sit down with bestselling author and beloved cultural commentator Jen Hatmaker to talk about her stunning new memoir, AWAKE. Jen, an Enneagram Three with a courageous streak that can look a whole lot like an Eight, opens up about the "before-and-after date" that changed everything—July 11, 2020—when her 26-year marriage ended, and her whole world cracked open. Together, we explore what it means to wake up in midlife: __ __ We dive into the Enneagram and the unique way Threes navigate identity, image, success, and failure—especially when life doesn't cooperate with the plan. Jen shares how therapy, embodiment work, and raw honesty helped her rebuild, and why this memoir isn't about spectacle, but about hope. This is a conversation about midlife transition, spiritual awakening, and the quiet miracle of becoming more fully yourself—right when you thought everything was falling apart. If you're navigating change, heartbreak, faith shifts, or a midlife renaissance of your own, this episode will feel like a hand on your shoulder and a light on the path. ---------------------------------------------- ABOUT JEN HATMAKER Jen Hatmaker is a bestselling author, award-winning podcaster, speaker, and fierce advocate for women living in freedom and agency. With 14 books—including four New York Times bestsellers—along with her beloved For the Love podcast, Jen Hatmaker Book Club, and more, she reaches millions with her signature mix of humor, vulnerability, and wisdom. Her newest book, AWAKE: A Memoir, (released on September 23, 2025), chronicles her raw, real-time journey through the shocking end of her 26-year marriage and surprising reinvention. She lives in a creaky old farmhouse, loves 90s country, and drinks Almond Joy creamer like it's a personality trait. Find her at JenHatmaker.com. CONNECT WITH IAN Follow Ian on Facebook or Instagram at @ianmorgancron and @typologypodcast. Check out Ian's website at www.ianmorgancron.com **Interested in a 30-minute one-on-one virtual coaching session with Ian? Fill out this intake form and we'll be in touch.
This week on , we welcomed the incomparable Lynn Smith—former national news anchor turned communications strategist, executive coach, and proud (and newly discovered) Enneagram Three with a Two wing. And friends… buckle up. This conversation is a masterclass in emotional intelligence, presence, and what it means to pursue success without losing yourself in the chase. Fresh off taking the Typology Assessment, Lynn joined us in that familiar Three-ish blend of humor, candor, and high-octane energy, joking that the results made her want to immediately call her therapist. What unfolded from there was a remarkably vulnerable exploration of people-pleasing, approval-seeking, identity, and the hidden costs of a lifetime spent earning applause. Lynn pulled back the curtain on her years in broadcast news—an industry where worth is measured in seconds, headlines, and flawless delivery—and revealed the deeper story beneath her polished exterior: a lifelong drive to achieve, a tenderness inherited from her family's immigrant narrative, and a powerful desire to help others communicate with confidence and authenticity. But the real gem of this episode is Lynn's groundbreaking work on what she calls "the brain bully." That inner critic. That saboteur whispering that you're one misstep away from failure. That internal voice Threes know far too well. Lynn not only names it—she teaches you how to outsmart it. Her framework for dismantling fear and building resilient confidence is practical, empowering, and deeply human. And when she reveals her own brain bully's name—"Bob"—you can't help but laugh and exhale. Sometimes the most powerful breakthroughs come with a wink. We also wandered into a juicy conversation about magnetism versus authenticity, why your energy enters a room a full tenth of a second before you do, and how the Enneagram can radically improve communication across teams, industries, and families. Connect with Lynn Smith at www.lynnsmith.com or on socials at @lynnsmithtv CONNECT WITH IAN Learn more about the Enneagram at www.ianmorgancron.com or follow Ian at @ianmorgancron and @typologypodcast on Instagram and Facebook P.S.
German-born spiritual teacher and self-help author Eckhart Tolle once wrote, I found this to be true in my life as well, and as it turns out, expressing gratitude isn't just a sound spiritual practice. It's essential to our emotional and physical well-being. According to a recent study performed at Harvard Medical School, "Gratitude is strongly and consistently associated with greater happiness. Gratitude helps people feel more positive emotions, relish good experiences, improve their health, deal with adversity, and build strong relationships." How can you reap the benefits? While there are many beneficial exercises that can help you cultivate an attitude of gratitude, such as journaling, morning or evening reflections, and performing acts of kindness, many people focus their thoughts outward (Ex: I'm grateful for my children, a roof over my head, my job, etc.).It's easy to lose sight of the good in ourselves. Instead, let's focus inward. Tune in as Anthony and I share what we're grateful for about each Enneagram type and why you should be too.
What happens when an Enneagram Two (or…maybe a Four?) takes a deep dive into the ache beneath our desire to be good, loved, and whole? This week, I sit down with HEATH HARDESTY, pastor and author of . What begins as a conversation about the Enneagram Two's longing to help soon unfurls into an exploration of the soul — the ache for beauty, the mystery of shame, and what it means to live authentically before God. Together we explore: __ __ It's equal parts theology, therapy, and literary love letter. Whether you're a Two, a Four, or simply a human being trying to make sense of your inner world, this episode will remind you that becoming whole is less about striving and more about awakening. 🎙️ Listen now and discover the sacred ache that pulls us home. ABOUT HEATH HARDESTY Heath Hardesty is the author of (Multnomah; 10/14/25). He serves as the lead pastor of Valley Community Church and is the founder of Inklings Coffee & Tea in the heart of downtown Pleasanton, California. Heath grew up in a blue-collar home and was a plumber's apprentice in Colorado before becoming a pastor on the edge of Silicon Valley where he, his wife, and four kids now reside. He holds degrees in literature, leadership, biblical studies, and theology from the University of Colorado Boulder and Western Seminary in Portland. Visit him on IG@heathhardesty.
In this heartfelt, humorous, and deeply human conversation, Ian sits down with longtime friend — artist, filmmaker, professor, and Enneagram Seven — STEVE TAYLOR. You may know him as the legendary provocateur who "invented irony for Christians," but in this episode, we explore the terrain beneath the creativity, the energy, and the relentless forward motion that has defined so much of his life. Together we wade into the deeper waters of the second half of life — aging, character, grief, spiritual maturity, limitations, and the sacred invitation to move from to . Steve speaks candidly about the shifting landscape of life at 67: __ __ We talk about marriage, mortality, the ache of unfinished dreams, the sweetness of gratitude, the pains and gifts of aging, and the spiritual practices that are slowly rewiring Steve's relationship with presence. Tune in to hear this rich conversation about Enneagram transformation, emotional intelligence, creativity, and the inner work of becoming whole. ABOUT STEVE TAYLOR Steve Taylor is a filmmaker, writer, producer and recording artist who earned his "Renaissance Man" stripes (Prism Magazine) from a body of work that's garnered him multiple Grammy, Billboard, Telly, Addy and Dove awards and nominations. A southern California native, he was raised in Denver, Colo., and studied music and film at Colorado University. In 1983, Taylor began a career as a recording artist that spanned 12 years, selling over one million albums worldwide and garnering him two Grammy nominations for "Meltdown" (1984) and "Squint" (1993). In the process, he made history as the only artist to twice win Billboard Music Video Awards for self-directed music videos. As a concert artist, Taylor headlined four international tours, including acclaimed appearances at L.A.'s Universal Amphitheater and London's Hammersmith Odeon. He was also lead singer in the MCA-signed modern rock band Chagall Guevara. Follow on FACEBOOK or INSTAGRAM SKETCH FILM WEBSITE
What happens when two high-achieving Enneagram Threes sit down with an Enneagram Four? You get an electric, honest, and surprisingly tender conversation about ambition, fear, and what it really means to live courageously. In this episode, Ian sits down with Jenny Wood, former Google executive and author of , and her Chief of Staff, Carlina Daugherty, for an unfiltered look at the drive and depth behind the Enneagram Three. Together, they explore: · Why fear — not talent — is often the real barrier to success · The nine "wild" traits that fuel courageous leadership (and how to keep them from derailing you) · How two Threes with different subtypes actually make the perfect team · Jenny's raw reflections on control, comparison, and rediscovering what "enough" really means · The second half of life — and why it's less about achievement and more about awakening It's an episode packed with laughter, candor, and the kind of vulnerability that reminds us: success without self-awareness isn't success at all. 🎙️ LISTEN IN AND LEARN HOW TO MOVE FROM HUMAN DOING TO HUMAN BEING — WITH A DASH OF WILD COURAGE.
* * * * * * In this week's episode of , I sit down with my dear friend and fellow book lover Joel Miller—an Enneagram Five through and through, and author of . Joel embodies the mind of a Five: curious, analytical, fiercely independent, and endlessly fascinated with ideas. But as we explore in our conversation, that intellectual brilliance can also become a refuge—a way to manage anxiety, avoid dependence, and retreat from life itself. Together, we unpack what it means for Fives to move from "information to intimacy," from hoarding ideas to sharing their hearts. We talk about why books are "technologies of connection," how Joel's marriage to a Four helps pull him out of his head and into his heart, and why he believes faith is meant to be , not simply . If you've ever wondered how to balance thinking and feeling, solitude and connection, this episode will resonate deeply. ABOUT JOEL: Joel J. Miller is a former publishing executive with a twenty-year career in writing and editorial. Today he serves as chief content officer of Full Focus (FullFocus.co) and publishes Miller's Book Review (MillersBookReview.com), a popular Substack celebrating literary culture. He is the author of several books, including The Idea Machine: How Books Built Our World and Shape Our Future https://a.co/d/0YmKrEw (forthcoming, November 2025). His writing has appeared in Reason, the Washington Post, American Spectator, and National Review. He lives outside Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife, kids, dogs, and more books than space. AVAILABLE NOW FOR PRE-ORDER: https://a.co/d/jgAhFd0 * Follow Typology Podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to learn more about the Enneagram and personal growth.
On this week’s episode of , I’m joined by two remarkable guests who sit right at the intersection of faith and psychology: Dr. Les Parrott, a clinical psychologist and author, and pastor Judah Smith, who brings a preacher’s honesty and a comedian’s timing to our conversation. Together, they’ve written a new book called . It’s a lively and deeply honest dialogue between theology and therapy—between the pulpit and the couch. We dive into what Les calls the five “toxic thought patterns” that keep us stuck—guilt, shame, insecurity, entitlement, and unworthiness—and how reframing those internal narratives can lead to genuine healing. Judah opens up with surprising candor about his own inner critic, the pressure of ministry, and why he believes the future of the church might look a lot more like AA than Sunday morning at 10 a.m. It’s part Enneagram session (spoiler: Judah’s possibly a Seven), part theology class, and part group therapy—equal parts laughter, humility, and grace. You’ll hear Les explain why awareness is curative, Judah describe what it’s like to feel “freer in his soul,” and me wrestling right alongside them with what it really means to change our minds. If you’ve ever wondered how psychology and spirituality can work to transform our lives—and not against each other—this conversation is for you. ABOUT OUR GUESTS JUDAH SMITH is the lead communicator of Churchome, a thriving community with multiple locations and a global app, known for its cultural relevance and deep love for Jesus. He is the bestselling author of https://a.co/d/1kzl7Jp. Judah and his wife, Chelsea, live in Seattle, Washington. Dr. Les Parrott is a #1 bestselling author and psychologist who has been featured on , , the , CNN, and , as well as in and . His books, which include and many others, have sold over five million copies. Les and his wife, Leslie, a marriage therapist, are the creators of BetterLove.com, a resource for couples. Les and Leslie live in Seattle, Washington.
What if the real key to spiritual transformation isn’t trying harder—but receiving love more deeply? In this heartfelt conversation, I sit down once again with Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere—spiritual directors, therapists, and founders of Soul Shepherding—to explore what it means to truly God’s empathy. Drawing from their new book, , the Gaultieres invite us to consider a radical truth: that spiritual transformation begins not with striving or self-critique, but with allowing ourselves to be seen, known, and loved—just as we are. Together, we unpack how shame, unconscious resistance, and old emotional wounds can block us from receiving love—from God, from others, and even from ourselves. Through vulnerable stories and spiritual wisdom, Bill and Kristi reveal how empathy heals the deepest fractures in our souls, allowing us to move from performance and perfectionism into grace-filled presence. We explore: __ __
What is an Instinctual Stack? Do you know yours? We all have three instincts. None of us are absent one. However, one does tend to be dominant. But what are instincts and how do they influence how each type shows up in the world? In today’s episode, we revisit our conversation with Elan Benami, creator of the EnneaApp and author of Enneagram Patterns & Poetics, to provide you with a great overview of Instincts, Subtypes, and the Instinctual Stack and how they can play out in your personal and professional life. About Elan: Elan is an LPC with a MA in Transpersonal Counseling Psychology and BA in Philosophy. In addition to his own private counseling practice, Elan is the Clinical Director of People House - a non-profit that provides affordable counseling in Colorado. Elan was introduced to the Enneagram in 2008 by his first therapist. He then did intense studying with Lori Ohlson, who was his supervisor. Claudio Naranjo was Lori's primary teacher, so there is a deep kinship with his work. Other major Enneagram teachers who have shaped Elan include Helen Palmer, Russ Hudson, Don Riso, and Sandra Maitri. Elan and Lori Ohlson have co-facilitated many Enneagram classes/workshops, most of them in the narrative tradition. Through Lori’s Enneagram material (of over 25 years of teaching the Enneagram), Elan created the EnneaApp, initially for the purpose of having something to quickly reference between sessions. Through the years, he has adapted the content to be more reflective of his own experience while also preserving Lori’s lineage. The app has over 1.5 million downloads.
What if the ways we keep getting stuck in relationships aren’t just bad habits, but the natural outworking of how we’re wired to bond—and to protect ourselves from pain? In this episode of , I sit down with psychologist and couples counselor DR. LISA MARIE BOBBY (a freshly discovered Seven with an Eight wing) to talk about the intersection of attachment, addiction to love, and the Enneagram. We explore why love itself can feel addictive, how that longing for connection sometimes binds us to the wrong person or pattern, and why recovery communities often work—they help us reattach to what’s good, true, and life-giving. Along the way we dig into common Enneagram pairings, the myth of perfect compatibility, and the real gift of learning to honor differences, see blind spots, and practice repair. If you’ve ever wondered why you tend to chase, withdraw, fix, or move on too quickly—and how to love with more courage and steadiness—you’ll find this conversation both practical and deeply hopeful. ABOUT DR. LISA MARIE BOBBY DR. LISA MARIE BOBBY is a licensed marriage and family therapist, psychologist, board certified coach and author of . She is the founder of Growing Self Counseling and Coaching, an internationally recognized practice focused on love, happiness, and success. With over 120K monthly podcast downloads on , she offers expert advice on relationships, personal development, and professional growth. Dr. Bobby has been featured in , , , , and , making her a trusted authority in the media on all things love, life design, and self-improvement.
Today, we’re joined by Justin (8w7) and Trisha Davis (3w2), a couple whose story holds both heartbreak and a hard-won hope. We talk honestly about the Eight–Three dance in marriage—intensity, drive, image, and protection—and how those same strengths can be magic when we’re healthy and toxic when we’re not. We also dive into their new book, . They remind us that real transformation isn’t about muscling through—it’s about naming the wound, choosing presence over performance, and practicing honest vulnerability. Justin shares how confusing help with weakness fueled secrecy and performance—and how grief became a doorway to healing. Trisha reflects on the Three’s chameleon move, learning to show up without over-achieving, and a wise reframing of the Enneagram as “not a weapon and not an excuse.” Together, they walk us through surviving an affair, pastoring through COVID, late-in-life family revelations, and the truth that forgiveness is not a one-and-done event. Their North Star: when they’re healthy, they’re magic; when they’re not, they’re toxic—and daily choices make the difference. If you’ve tried to achieve your way out of pain or sprinted past grief because it felt inefficient, this conversation will meet you in the messy middle. We explore relief vs. recovery, acting our way into new feelings, and why you can’t heal a wound you won’t name. It’s tender, practical, and full of hope. I hope you'll tune in. ABOUT OUR GUESTS JUSTIN AND TRISHA DAVIS are pastors, authors, speakers, and the founders of RefineUs Ministries. They’re not perfect. They’re not interested in pretending. They are passionate about helping others experience real healing and deeper connection. Together, they co-authored , and Justin’s book is a bestseller. Justin and Trisha have been married for 30 years, have five kids and live in Indianapolis. — available wherever books are sold Justin & Trisha’s Website: http://justinandtrisha.com
In this episode of , I sit down with Dr. Todd Hall to explore the profound ways attachment theory shapes not only our personal relationships but also our spirituality. Together, we unpack how the early bonds we form with caregivers influence our emotional health, the ways we relate to others, and even how we connect with God. Todd shares insights from his groundbreaking research on relational spirituality, reminding us that true spiritual formation is not just about what we know—it’s about how we love, connection, and trust in real relationships. We discuss the different attachment styles—secure, anxious, avoidant, and fearful—and how they show up in daily life and in faith. Along the way, Todd offers hope: insecure attachment styles are not destiny. Through healing relationships and spiritual practices, our relational patterns can be rewired toward greater security, freedom, and love. If you’ve ever wondered why relationships are so hard, why intimacy feels risky, or why your connection with God sometimes feels distant or fragile, this conversation will help you see yourself with fresh compassion—and invite you into a more integrated path of personal and spiritual growth.
This week, we explore the art of listening and the complexities of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram with Emily Kasriel, an award-winning journalist, executive coach, and author of the new book, . Emily shares her journey of self-awareness and the importance of deep listening in our everyday interactions. She discusses her experiences at the BBC, the challenges of listening in high-stakes situations, and the powerful eight-step approach to deep listening outlined in her book. Discover how to create psychological safety in conversations, the significance of being present, and the value of curiosity in understanding others. We also examine the nuances of the Enneagram, helping listeners discern their personality types and how they can enhance their listening skills. Whether you're new to the Enneagram or a seasoned enthusiast, this episode is packed with insights that can transform your relationships and deepen your understanding of yourself and others. KEY HIGHLIGHTS: __ __ Don't forget to grab a copy of Emily's book, , and join the conversation about how we can all become better listeners! SUBSCRIBE TO TYPOLOGY FOR MORE INSIGHTS ON PERSONALITY AND RELATIONSHIPS!
In this week’s episode of Typology, I sit down with Dr. Terence Lester—an Enneagram Eight, author of From Dropout to Doctorate, and the visionary founder of Love Beyond Walls. Terence’s story is as powerful as it is inspiring. From his early years in Atlanta to leading a movement that uplifts those experiencing poverty and homelessness, his journey embodies both courage and compassion. Together, we explore what it means to be an Enneagram Eight in the trenches of community work—wrestling with control, burnout, and the temptation to over-function. Terence opens up about a devastating car accident that reshaped his sense of identity, his relationship with productivity, and ultimately, his capacity for gratitude. We also dive into the intersection of action and contemplation, the influence of Henri Nouwen on Terence’s life, and the healing power of reconciliation in his own family story. Along the way, Terence reminds us that leadership isn’t about posturing but about vulnerability, presence, and the willingness to walk alongside others in their pain. This conversation is an invitation to rethink how we serve, how we love, and how we grow. You’ll walk away with profound insights about resilience, healing, and the transformative power of the Enneagram. ABOUT OUR GUEST Dr. Terence Lester is a storyteller, public scholar, speaker, community activist and author of From Dropout to Doctorate. He is the founder and executive director of Love Beyond Walls, a nonprofit organization focused on raising awareness about poverty, homelessness and community mobilization. He serves as the director of public policy and social change and as a professor at Simmons College of Kentucky (HBCU). He received his PhD with a concentration in public policy and social change from Union Institute and University. Terence has authored four additional books with IVP, including one with his sixteen-year-old daughter, Zion, titled Zion Learns to See: Opening Our Eyes to Homelessness. The other titles include I See You: How Love Opens Our Eyes to Invisible People, When We Stand: The Power of Seeking Justice Together, and All God’s Children: How Confronting Buried History Can Build Racial Solidarity. Terence is known for nationwide campaigns that bring awareness to homelessness, poverty and economic inequality. His awareness campaigns have been featured on ML K50, CNN, Good Morning America, Essence, TEDx, TVONE, Creative Mornings, USA Today, NBC News, Black Enterprise, Rolling Out, Upworthy and more. These campaigns have been viewed by millions of people worldwide. Terence is happily married to his best friend, Cecilia, and they have two amazing children, Zion Joy and Terence II. Learn more about Dr. Lester by visiting his website at www.terencelester.org https://www.terencelester.org or follow on social media at @imterencelester or @lovebeyondwalls.
This week on Typology, I sit down with Ginny Yurich—author of Until the Streetlights Come On and Homeschooling: You’re Doing It Right Just by Doing It. Together, we revisit the freedom of childhood play, explore how modern parenting has shifted, and talk about why kids today desperately need more time outdoors. Ginny, an Enneagram Two, shares candidly about her own parenting journey—what she’s learned about boundaries, mutuality, and the deep desire to feel appreciated. She also introduces her initiative, 1,000 Hours Outside, which is inspiring families around the world to reclaim the simple, sacred gift of unstructured outdoor play. Whether you’re a parent, grandparent, teacher, or simply someone reflecting on your own childhood, this conversation is a powerful reminder that nature has the ability to heal, connect, and transform us. CONNECT WITH GINNY 1,000 Hours Outdoors Podcast Instagram Facebook Website Homeschooling: You're Doing It Right Just By Doing It Until the Streetlights Come On https://a.co/d/1nnSJA5
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Alicia Michelle—an Enneagram One and host of The Christian Mindset Coach podcast—for a meaningful conversation about emotions, perfectionism, and the journey toward self-compassion. Alicia shares her story of discovering her true type, the freedom that comes from quieting the inner critic, and her practical ADD method (Acknowledge, Discern, Decide) for processing emotions. Together, we explore the importance of emotional literacy, how different types experience emotions, and why learning to govern our inner world is key to growth. Whether you’re new to the Enneagram or eager to go deeper, this episode offers fresh insights and practical tools for navigating your emotional life with greater clarity and grace.
Ever feel like the world’s volume knob is stuck on “too loud”? In this week’s episode of Typology, I’m joined by my friend Sarah Boyd—an insightful Enneagram Four and author of the brand-new book, Turn Down the Noise: A Practical Guide to Building an Emotionally Healthy Family in a Chronically Overstimulated World https://a.co/d/98ukZ16. Sarah has walked through seasons of deep beauty and deep challenge—including her own cancer journey—and she’s here to share how those experiences have shaped her understanding of creativity, meaning, and the role our emotions play in living a full, authentic life. We talk about how overstimulation impacts both adults and kids, why recognizing our limitations matters, and how setting healthy boundaries isn’t selfish—it’s essential. Sarah offers thoughtful, practical ideas for creating a home where emotional health can thrive, even when the world outside feels overwhelming. If you’ve been craving a little more peace, presence, and emotional resilience in your daily life, this conversation is for you. In this episode, we explore: __ __ Thank you for tuning in. We hope you enjoy this enriching episode!
What happens when a peace-seeking Enneagram Nine becomes the voice of one of the most beloved animated characters in children’s television? Find out as we dive into the world of the Enneagram with special guest Mike Nawrocki, co-creator of VeggieTales and the voice of Larry the Cucumber. In this engaging conversation, we explore the unique traits of Enneagram Nines, known as the Peacemakers. * Mike shares insights from his journey in creating beloved children's content, including his latest project, The Dead Sea Squirrels, which is now a growing book series and animated show. We discuss the motivations behind Nines, their tendency to avoid conflict, and the importance of claiming one's voice and presence in the world. Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just curious about personality types, this episode offers valuable perspectives on self-awareness, personal growth, and the power of creativity. Don't miss this opportunity to learn more about the Enneagram and how it can enhance your understanding of yourself and others! ABOUT MIKE NAWROCKI As co-creator of , co-founder of Big Idea Entertainment, and the voice of Larry the Cucumber, MIKE NAWROCKI has been dedicated to helping parents pass on biblical values to their kids for over three decades. Mike is the offbeat brain behind and has lent his screenwriting and directing talents to dozens of episodes, as well as both of the properties’ theatrical releases, and His most recent project, an early reader book series entitled has been adapted into a 13-episode animated series now streaming on Minno, with more books and a season 2 of animation currently in the works. Mike also serves as an assistant professor of film and animation at Lipscomb University in Nashville, TN, and co-hosts the weekly podcast, “The Bible for Kids.” Website: https://mikenawrocki.com/ and Amazon Author Page Follow on: Instagram | Facebook
What happens when your deep longing to love and be loved gets tangled up with your need to be needed? In this week’s episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with the wonderful Emily Zeller—a licensed marriage and family therapist, certified Enneagram practitioner, and a one-to-one Enneagram Two. Emily brings such honesty and heart as we talk about desire, boundaries, and the tender places in all of us that crave connection. As we explore the unique energy of the Enneagram Two and unpack the three subtypes—self-preservation, social, and one-to-one—we ask questions we can all sit with: When have you confused being loved with being needed in your own relationships? What would it look like to offer love without trying to earn it in return? If you’ve ever wrestled with seeking validation, struggled to set boundaries, or simply wanted to understand yourself or a loved one better, you’re going to feel right at home in this conversation. This episode isn’t just for Twos—it’s for anyone longing to grow in self-awareness and bring more compassion and balance to their relationships. 🎧 Listen in and join us as we reflect, laugh, and get real about what it means to be human. And as you listen, consider: where in your life is love inviting you to simply rest and receive? Follow Emily on Instagram: @EmilyZeller Learn more at: zellertherapy.com 👉 SUBSCRIBE TO TYPOLOGY WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS AND SHARE THIS EPISODE WITH SOMEONE WHO NEEDS IT.
Welcome to this enlightening episode of Typology! Join us as we explore the life and journey of Sister Monica Clare, an Enneagram 6 and author of the memoir . In this episode, we explore: __ __ Sister Monica shares her candid reflections on her path to becoming a nun, the importance of community, and the spiritual practices that ground her amidst uncertainty. Don't miss this heartfelt conversation filled with wisdom, humor, and inspiration! ------------------------------- Connect with Sister Monica Clare on TikTok: @nonsenseforthepeople Grab a copy of https://a.co/d/hn7gVZP today!
* In this episode of Typology, we welcome Tracey Gee, an Enneagram 3w2 and author of the new book, . Tracey shares her journey of discovering the Enneagram in her late 20s while navigating the challenges of vocational ministry and familial expectations. She reflects on how understanding her Enneagram type has transformed her approach to life, particularly in recognizing the difference between societal scripts and her authentic desires. We dive into the nuances of desire, want, and longing, exploring how these concepts can be intertwined yet distinct. Tracey shares the importance of self-awareness and the role of spiritual practices in uncovering what truly lights us up. Additionally, we touch on the unique challenges each Enneagram type faces when it comes to understanding their desires, and how to move from confusion to confidence in pursuing what truly matters. This episode is packed with insights and practical exercises to help you connect with your authentic self.
In this episode of Typology, we welcome Doug Lynam, an Enneagram 3w4 and author of the new book "Taming Your Money Monster: Nine Paths to Money Mastery with the Enneagram." Doug shares his fascinating journey from Marine Corps officer to Benedictine monk and now money manager, exploring how the Enneagram can provide insights into our relationship with money. Join us as we dive into the unique "money monsters" associated with each Enneagram type, discussing how childhood narratives shape our financial behaviors and the importance of authenticity in achieving a healthier relationship with money. Doug also introduces his innovatie approach that combines the Enneagram with attachment theory, offering practical tools for overcoming financial challenges. No matter your type, this episode is packed with valuable insights and humor that will help you understand your financial habits and how to master them. Don't miss this enlightening conversation that promises to change the way you think about money and personal growth. __ __
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Chris Janssen, a best-selling author and board-certified coach, to explore the intersection of the Enneagram, recovery, and personal growth. Chris, an Enneagram 4, shares her journey of sobriety and the insights she gained from her experiences. Together, we discuss the unique challenges that Enneagram 4s face, particularly in relation to addiction and the feeling of being different. Chris opens up about her struggles with self-acceptance and the importance of grace in the recovery process. Tune in as we dive into: __ __ Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey, this episode offers valuable insights into embracing your true self and finding healing. Don't forget to check out Chris's new book, "Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want," available wherever books are sold. SUBSCRIBE TO TYPOLOGY FOR MORE EPISODES EXPLORING THE HUMAN PERSONALITY THROUGH THE LENS OF THE ENNEAGRAM! May you have love, joy, peace, healing, and rest. Until next time! CONNECT WITH CHRIS JANSSEN HERE: www.chrisjanssencoaching.com
How do our early stories shape who we become, and what would it look like to embrace healing and grace along the way? In this heartfelt episode of Typology, we welcome Melanie Shankle, an Enneagram 9 with an 8 wing and author of Here Be Dragons: Treading the Deep Waters of Motherhood, Mean Girls, and Generational Trauma. Melanie opens up about the impact of a turbulent childhood, the people-pleasing patterns that followed, and what it took for her to confront her past with honesty and compassion. Together, we explore how writing her book became a profound path of self-understanding and generational healing. Whether you’re reflecting on your own childhood, parenting, or your inner growth as an adult, this honest and hopeful conversation invites you to embrace grace, compassion, and deeper self-awareness. Tune in and discover that healing often begins when we dare to face the stories we thought we had to hide.
This week on , I sat down with the brilliant and buoyant Margaret Feinberg—author, teacher, and Enneagram 7 with an 8 wing. We talked about her new book, , and what it means to experience the Holy Spirit’s presence—not just in the highs of life, but in the valleys too. Margaret opened up about facing surgery just before her book launch, navigating the exhaustion that comes with being “on” all the time, and how her joy had to be redefined in the midst of cancer. We also explored how ADHD traits can show up in Enneagram Sevens, what it’s like being married to a Type 5, and how learning to rest isn’t easy when you live in a world that never slows down. Margaret also offered a fresh perspective on the Holy Spirit—not just in the New Testament, but throughout Scripture. It’s a conversation about joy that makes room for sorrow, faith that’s been through the fire, and a Spirit who meets us in the mess. As you listen, take a moment to consider: __ __
This week on Typology I had the joy of sitting down with author Hanna Howard, an Enneagram Four with a Five wing. Hanna’s not only the author of the young adult fantasy novel , but also a great example of how our Enneagram type shapes the stories we tell — on paper and in life. We talk about what sets a 4w5 apart — that mix of emotional depth and intellectual curiosity. While a 4w3 may lean toward image and achievement, Hanna shares how her Five wing draws her inward, toward reflection, research, and a rich world of ideas. Hanna opens up about her lifelong search for authenticity — that familiar Four longing to feel significant — and shares a moment from her college years when a single line from Twelfth Night put words to that ache for belonging. Of course, we talk about Our Divine Mischief — Hanna’s alternate-history fantasy set in a magical version of Scotland. At its core, it’s a story about belonging, something every Four knows well, complete with a wish-granting dog (yes, really). It’s a rich conversation about creativity, personality, and the longing we all carry to belong. I hope you enjoy it. And if you’re looking for a beautiful read, check out Our Divine Mischief. 🎧 Listen wherever you get your podcasts. And as always — stay curious.
In this episode of the Typology Podcast, we dive deep into the art of conflict resolution with our special guest, James Ginn, author of the new book . Join us as we explore the five distinct conflict styles: Avoiders, Competitors, Collaborators, Accommodators, and Analyzers. James shares insights on how these typologies influence our reactions during conflicts and how understanding them can lead to better relationships both at work and at home. We discuss: __ __ Whether you're a conflict resolution specialist or someone who simply wants to improve your interpersonal relationships, this episode is packed with valuable insights and actionable advice. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the notification bell for more episodes on understanding personality types and enhancing your relationships! TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Introduction 00:10 - Meet James Ginn 00:53 - Understanding the Enneagram and conflict styles 02:08 - Identifying your conflict style 02:35 - The three types of conflict 04:20 - Communication preferences in conflict 05:42 - How to approach conflict resolution 10:01 - The role of emotional triggers 11:50 - Tone of communication in conflict 20:22- The importance of assessing conflict situations 30:58 - Final thoughts on conflict resolution and Enneagram types FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: __ __ GET JAMES GINN'S BOOK: How to Get Along with Anyone Tune in and learn how to get along with anyone!
In this heartfelt episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with Elizabeth Husserl—an Enneagram One with a Two wing and the author of the beautiful new book . Elizabeth's story begins over two decades ago when she first encountered the Enneagram. What followed was nothing short of transformational. Her work with the Enneagram didn’t just shape her inner life—it helped heal her marriage and completely reframed her understanding of wealth. In our conversation, she invites us to imagine a richer, more expansive definition of money—one rooted in connection, belonging, and wholeness rather than scarcity and striving. Together, we explore: __ __ If you're curious about how the Enneagram intersects with your financial story—or simply hungry for a more soulful approach to money—this episode is full of wisdom, vulnerability, and grace. You can learn more about Elizabeth’s work at ElizabethHusserl.com, and follow her on Instagram @ElizabethHusserl for more insights.
Have you ever felt overwhelmed in your relationships or struggled with the mental load? If yes, this episode is a must-listen! In this episode, Dr. Morgan Cutlip, an Enneagram 9 and author of the new book, reveals how understanding her Enneagram type has shaped her approach to relationships, especially with her husband, who is a Type 3. We explore the dynamics of their relationship, including the challenges of maintaining connection while navigating the complexities of life and parenting. Morgan shares her journey of reclaiming her voice and agency, which is particularly resonant for those of us who identify with the steady, reliable nature of the Enneagram 9. One of the key topics we discuss is the concept of the "mental load"—the invisible tasks and emotional labor that often fall disproportionately on women in relationships. Morgan provides practical insights on how couples can tackle this load together, fostering a more equitable partnership that leads to less resentment and greater fun! Here are a few highlights from the episode: __ __ Whether you're a 9, a 3, or any other type, this episode offers valuable insights that can help you strengthen your relationships and enhance your emotional well-being. As always, thank you for being a part of the Typology community.
